Posts by Old Goat

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What were the calculations used to arrive at the 1874 date of Christ's return?

by Zoos in

we all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?

i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.

i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .

Old Goat

This historical background to the 1874 date is explored in Schulz and de Vienne's Nelson Barbour: The Millennium's Forgotten Prophet.

http://www.lulu.com/shop/b-w-schulz/nelson-barbour-the-millenniums-forgotten-prophet/paperback/product-5424152.html

Both of their books are well worth a thoughtful read.

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Will the IRS Investigate the Watchtower Society?

by ABibleStudent in

if you feel that the wtbts is breaking a tax law(s), you can send a letter to investigate the wtbts to the irs to:.

department of the treasuryinternal revenue servicemc 4910 dal1100 commerce streetdallas, tx 75242 .

the irs will investigate complaints about the wtbts, but it will not investigate the wtbts without compliants being sent to the irs.

Old Goat

Going to the IRS is a huge waste of time. It's been tried repeatedly since the 1950s without success.

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i have lots of wt literature that i want to get rid of, and i know that a lot of the literature is "valuable" in the sense that we need to have a record of what was said and when... and hopefully, all the pictures.. one of the least well-preserved of wt literature is the yearbooks.

they contain valuable information that is not on the wt library... for example, all of the pictures of the many jw's, or the charts and data, or the daily text.. .

so, atlantis, or anyone who wants it, i am willing to ship the yearbooks to you with the condition that you will scan them and provide them for the entire community, and you pay for the shipping.anyone willing to take them?.

Old Goat

I noticed that the truthhistory blog has a front cover photo of A. D. Jones Day Star. I've never seen one before. Are there any more out there?

http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/

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Rumor Elders Will Receive Name Badges For Every Meeting.

by HelpMeBelieve in

i keep hearing rumors elders are going to be getting permanent badge cards to wear to every meeting.

one excited brother told me, "it would be nice if new ones to the kingdom hall could see who their shepherds are.

there is a great surge in activity, new bible students will be able to locate the proper elder in charge of bible studies!

Old Goat

So, witnesses will emulate Mormons? Wear little badges that say Elder so and so? Swell. Wonderland is alive and well and in Patterson NY.

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Zone Visit feedback, from ones still in??

by Crazyguy in

just wondering if any one has heard from ones still asleep, what their feedback has been and what comments have been made by the rank and file??.

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Old Goat

My youngest daughter thought the meeting was 'fun.' She said the advice on clothing was needed. I thought it was ordinary nonsense from someone who never got over being a domineering circuit overseer.

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We Now See Hard Proof That God Does Not Guide This Religion

by metatron in

jw
friends

once upon a time, there was a small, controversial religion that got into trouble because of child sexual abuse.

there were lawsuits and nasty headlines and bad press and concerns about what other sort of sexual misdeeds might be covered up.. then, in a breathtaking moment of hubris, the apparent 'boss' of this religion gave a widely reported speech in which he revealed his obsession with homosexuals and young men wearing tight pants..

this is not "meat in due season".

Old Goat

There's always been a huge slice of self-delusion connected to 'this religion.' It seems worse now than ever.

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Why don't parents of an abused child go straight to police, why go to an elder first??

by FeelingFree in

i hope i don't come across as judgemental but having read a lot on the current child abuse cases and the different threads on here, i am left wondering why on earth a parent of an abuse victim would go to an elder with the problem first and not straight to police?.

as a parent myself i know that if anything like that happend to my child (this applies to when i was still an active jw as well as now) i would not hesitate in going to the authorities as soon as i found out, it wouldn't of crossed mine or my husbands mind to go to an elder.

maybe after we had reported it but definitely never as the first port of call.

Old Goat

Going to untrained elders first is stupid. Always go to the authorities first. Never seek advice in child care issues from an elder with a sixth grade education.

If the abuser was a Witness, the response afterward is, "there is an active criminal investigation. I cannot discuss this with you until it is concluded."

If the abuser is found guilty, the elders are in a bind. They can't ignore it even if they want. Take no nonsense from them. If they press you say, "I'm obligated to report this conversation to the investigating officers and to the prosecutor."

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Help me keep this site active

by Old Goat in

the watch tower history blog is the best out there.

the owners are considering shutting it down for lack of blog visits.

maybe a visit and a comment would help keep it alive.. http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.

Old Goat

Juan, the site isn't mine. it belongs to the authors of A Separate Identity, a history of the Watch Tower's early years. I am a fan of their research and have scanned material from my own collection for them. I think their project is worth while. I want to keep it going.

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Help me keep this site active

by Old Goat in

the watch tower history blog is the best out there.

the owners are considering shutting it down for lack of blog visits.

maybe a visit and a comment would help keep it alive.. http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.

Old Goat

What does my opinion have to do with their blog? Isn't that silly?

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Help me keep this site active

by Old Goat in

the watch tower history blog is the best out there.

the owners are considering shutting it down for lack of blog visits.

maybe a visit and a comment would help keep it alive.. http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.

Old Goat

The watch tower history blog is the best out there. The owners are considering shutting it down for lack of blog visits. Maybe a visit and a comment would help keep it alive.

http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/